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Out100 Where Are They Now: Brent Calderwood

The writer and activist discusses the present state of poetry, the need for naughtiness, and unicorns.

Brent Calderwood has been on our radar for quite some time. In 1996, at the age of 19, he was included in the Out100 for his activism and LGBT-youth-oriented journalism. In the years since, his writing has appeared in numerous journals and publications, he's been awarded writing grants and fellowships, and he currently serves as Literary Editor for A&U Magazine. He also released his first book of poetry earlier this summer, to an overwhelmingly positive critical response.

The God of Longing, published by Sibling Rivalry Press, weaves themes of heartache and loss, eroticism and satire into an honest and accessible collection. Classical allusions and pop cultural references, though tempered by Calderwood's plain-spoken language, add a depth to his poems that lingers with the reader. D. A. Powell and Mark Doty have offered their praise to The God of Longing as the herald of a new literary force within the canon.

Currently taking a break from his national book tour with fellow Sibling Rivalry Press writers Stephen S. Mills and Matthew Hittinger, we caught up with Calderwood to ask our 10 most burning questions. From eroticism to education, he offered a frank assessment of the current poetic landscape, and explained what needs to be done to make poetry less scary.

Out: How would you describe yourself professionally, in a sentence or so?

Brent Calderwood: I'm a writer and editor. I've been a journalist/essayist since I was 18, and then I do editing of all kinds -- I do educational editing and I work with private clients on their books. So professionally, that's me.

You wouldn't describe yourself as a poet, then?

Oh, good point. Definitely. It's funny because when someone asks you to describe yourself in terms of a career, of course poetry doesn't come to mind immediately because it's not lucrative. Even for someone like Billy Collins, who's one of the best-selling poets in the country, he'll say "I'm a poet" and then people will respond, "Yeah but what do you do?" Or they'll say, "Ohhh my four-year-old daughter writes poetry." So you're right, I should definitely include poet as part of my career identity.

This is your first collection of poetry. Can you explain the roots of the title, The God of Longing?

I chose the title The God of Longing because, to me, longing has many senses. Not only the obvious ones of heartache and yearning, but also sexual desire and eroticism, and it can also mean nostalgia. It just encompasses the topics covered in the book.

It came out of a line in one of my poems -- and it's also a reference to various gods. It's sort of an acknowledgement that I do bring out classical allusions in my work even though I also try to incorporate pop culture and some naughty stuff as well.

"Catalogue" is the poem that the eponymous line comes from. In that poem especially, you switch between classical allusions and popular cultural references -- why did you choose to use both so regularly?

Yes, "Catalogue" is written in six sections, and it does go back and forth. One will talk about something classical like Sappho, and then the next will be about Psycho and Hitchcock, and then the next about a personal relationship. The pop culture stuff... I love any allusion or symbol or reference that is resonant for people. I think that prior to the mid-20th century, most of that was classical or biblical and people assumed that poetry had to include some of those references. But post-1950, I think people have been playing a lot more with bringing in contemporary references. Frank O'Hara had it in a lot of his work, and he just talked very matter of factly about the people in his life. So to me, anything is fair game including Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Margaret Cho or Ellen DeGeneres -- whatever will resonate with readers.

Why did you decide to put together this collection and publish at this time?

Like any writer, I've of course always wanted to have a book. I started writing poetry when I was a kid. But it's interesting, you have child prodigies for art or music but not for writing -- you really have to grow into your maturity to be a fully-formed writer. Writing through my twenties and now up to my mid-to-late thirties, I've begun to make work that feels more mature and crafted. I can take those raw feelings from childhood or from adult romances and tighten them into something that has a sort of wry wisdom. And I finally had enough work published in individual journals and anthologies fill a book. I had the material, and I felt like I had been working on creating a sort of narrative arc that lent itself well to being printed as a collection.

You've said that being a poet isn't the most lucrative of careers, and that the terrain has changed, especially over the 20th century. What do you think the current state of poetry is? What place does it have right now?

I think that poetry always has been and always will be essential to human experience and to literature. But the state of it is that people now think of poetry as something that is elite or old fashioned, whereas, prior to the 20th century, most English literature was poetry. It's only post 20th century, or post 19th century, that people think of poetry as specialised in western culture. So I think the state of it is that it needs to be resuscitated and made populist, and that's another reason why I include pop culture reference -- I try to make it really relevant.

I work in education, and there's a huge problem with the way poetry is taught. I think that teachers purposefully use poems that, first of all, are public domain, which is a problem because they're usually out of date and not necessarily relevant to kids. And then teachers also use poems that they think are puzzles or riddles, and then kids get freaked out and grow into people who, when I tell them I'm a poet, change the subject! Because they were traumatized by poetry as a kid. But to me, good poetry is like any good art -- it's good. You should be able to get it when you first see it or hear it or read it, and then because you like it, you return to it and it acquires a deeper meaning. I think that more poetry can be written in such a way, and then it won't be so scary.

So far, your book tour has stopped in New York City and Boston. What have the audiences been like?

It's been a great mix of age and culture, ethnicity, sexuality, gender. Overall, of course, it's going to attract readers who like work that deals with topics relating to gay male identity. But it's actually brought in other people as well, which I'm really glad about. It's been ... often it's been poetry readers and a lot of poetry writers. There's a critique of contemporary poetry that there are more writers than readers, so a lot of people who show up for poetry readings do also write. What's great about that is that there's a built in audience of people who love and appreciate it.

I think older gay men -- older than me, 50 and older -- respond to my poetry because it appeals to traditional forms and talks about childhood challenges with sexuality that are, thankfully, changing in our culture. I think people who are older than 35 will relate to it more on that level, but then it also speaks to a kind of anxiety and nostalgia about childhood and sexuality that everyone can relate to ... so in that way it's really got a diverse group of readers.

You mentioned earlier that you like to include naughtiness in your poetry. How do you approach that? What's the proper balance?

Actually, the more naughtiness or eroticism that I can bring to my work, the better. I think that my default as a writer, whether of poetry or of essays, is to be the pensive poet, and to look at things like heartache and difficult memories. But to balance that out I try to read work that is playful, sexy and fun. So, to me, the balance would be great if I could do 100% of that, and with my next book I'm going to work harder to be more playful. I think more work should be naughty or -- you asked the state of poetry today. I think bringing in more pop culture and more sexuality and more things that shock, but in a way that is for art's sake and not for shock's sake, is a good thing.

Do you have a spirit animal?

[Laughs] Oh I'm embarrassed to tell you! I actually have three and they're all cliche. The first would be a unicorn, and there's actually a sonnet about a unicorn in the book -- talk about risky, it's totally cliche. For all the obvious reasons: I felt like a unicorn growing up, I didn't fit in, and then of course there's the phallic dimension. And I love that they're trendy again now -- they've become this full-on symbol of young male sexuality, which I love. The other two are, a butterfly, again for obvious reasons, and then a lion would be the third. I'm a Leo, and lions are so majestic and strong, but then also kind of silent. I feel those are all different parts of myself.

Last question. For people who enjoy your book of poems, are there a few other contemporary writers you would suggest?

First of all, I have to give a shout-out to my touring mates, Stephen S. Mills and Matthew Hittinger. Stephen won the Lambda award for gay male poetry a few years ago, and his new book looks at gay marriage from an edgy, challenging perspective. His work is daring and straightforward in a way I envy. Matthew's work is heartful in way I also aspire to, and his formal poems, especially his villanelles, are gorgeous. Marcelo Hernandez Castillo is a poet to watch out for. He writes about issues of class, race, immigration, and citizenship with craft and wisdom. Joanna Hoffman made her name as a slam poet and writes about politics and family in way that's perfect for performance but is also really precise and moving on the page. Ocean Vuong -- his writing is both delicate and heart-wrenching. He uses form really beautifully, and his poem "Aubade with Burning City" makes me cry every time.

Calderwood, Mills and Hittinger will make stops in San Francisco and Los Angeles as part of their tour with Sibling Rivalry Press from January 28 to February 6. Calderwood will also be teaching a Poetry Lab in Long Beach on February 5. Details can be found on his website.

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Karan Soni stars in "A Nice Indian Boy," in theaters starting April 4
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Out and About with Karan Soni

Karan Soni shines in A Nice Indian Boy, a culture-clashing queer love story that's winning hearts.

Karan Soni

Karan Soni

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Karan Soni returns to the romcom spotlight with A Nice Indian Boy, a heartfelt, culture-clashing queer love story that’s already winning over audiences. Premiering at SXSW and opening NewFest, the film is currently sitting at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes—so, safe to say, it’s one to watch. Starring opposite Jonathan Groff, Karan plays Naveen, a mild-mannered doctor who has always done what’s expected of him. But when he falls for Jay, a white man adopted by Indian parents, their relationship forces his traditional family to confront what true acceptance really looks like. Between comical misunderstandings, emotional reckonings, and a wedding in the making, A Nice Indian Boy delivers a fresh, heartfelt take on love, identity, and the messy, beautiful reality of family.

Born in New Delhi and now based in LA, Karan Soni first caught attention in Deadpool as the hilariously endearing Dopinder—a role he reprised in the sequel. Since then, he’s starred in Ghostbusters and Miracle Workers, co-wrote and starred in 7 Days, and recently stepped behind the camera to direct an episode of Abbott Elementary.

In our Out and About interview, Karan opens up about working alongside his partner, Roshan Sethi, who directed A Nice Indian Boy, his growing role behind the camera, and what it was like getting cozy on set with Jonathan Groff. And when we got to the topic of what it means to still believe in the dream and magic of this country, his answer struck a chord. It gave me a little hope—or maybe we’re both just completely delulu. Either way, enjoy the interview below!

Karan Soni stars in "A Nice Indian Boy," in theaters starting April 4

Karan Soni stars in A Nice Indian Boy, in theaters starting April 4

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OT: A Nice Indian Boy brings you back together with your partner professionally once again. How does your dynamic shift when transitioning from partners to colleagues on set? Do you set boundaries to separate work from personal life, or does the creative process naturally spill over into your downtime?

KS: It took us a beat to establish our dynamic between work and life. The first movie we did (7 Days, now on Hulu!) helped us understand what works and what doesn't. Essentially, if there is a creative disagreement, then my partner will hear me out, but he gets to make the final decision since he's the director. Unlike real life, it's important for one person at work to have the power to say when you're moving on and making a decision otherwise nothing will get done. Luckily, he has excellent taste. Also, he is my biggest fan so that helps (again, excellent taste).

OT: In the film, you're not only starring but also serving as an executive producer. How did wearing both hats shape your experience on set, and were there particular moments where you found yourself thinking like a producer rather than an actor?

KS: I really appreciate being able to EP projects like this where I am in almost every scene. With the executive producer credit, you're able to have a voice in the room when certain decisions are being made, and you don't feel like the actor trying to insert an opinion. I usually find that I'm most useful in prep with casting, a lot of the actors in the movie are friends or people I've worked with on previous jobs and I'm able to get them the script directly which can be helpful on independent films. I also did a punch up pass on the script for this movie (with Roshan) and enjoyed sitting in various cuts in the edit to be another voice in the room. Most of the other producers aren't actors so I think it can be helpful sometimes to see performances or moments from an actor's perspective in the edit.

OT: Your on-screen chemistry with Jonathan Groff is already being praised. What was it like building that dynamic with him, and do you have a favorite behind-the-scenes moment from filming?

KS: I think it's impossible to create or manufacture chemistry. It's either there or it isn't. What usually helps is if you like the person, and I love Jonathan!! My favorite memories with him were when I handed him my phone so he could scroll through my Instagram. Jonathan doesn't have Instagram (because he's smart) but whenever someone shows him their page, he can get lost in it for hours.

OT: Was it ever awkward filming intimate scenes with Jonathan in front of your partner, or are you all consummate professionals who rise above such things—unlike my overactive, anxiety-ridden brain, which would absolutely be spiraling in that situation?

KS: I was actually so nervous about this! But once the day actually arrived, it was so easy. Mainly because of Jonathan. He made both Roshan and I feel so comfortable. He has so much experience from doing sex scenes on shows like Looking that it felt so normal to him and that feeling trickled down. We also had a great intimacy coordinator.

Karan Soni stars alongside Tony Award winner Jonathan Groff in \u201cA Nice Indian Boy\u201d

Karan Soni stars alongside Tony Award winner Jonathan Groff in “A Nice Indian Boy

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OT: Directing an episode of Abbott Elementary must have been a blast. I particularly loved the scenes with Lisa Ann Walter's Melissa and Chris Perfetti's Jacob as their dynamic evolved from colleagues to roommates and, eventually, friends. Was there a specific scene or moment for you in your season three episode that you were especially excited to bring to life? And how did you approach collaborating with the cast to maximize the comedy in those moments?

KS: Thank you!! I was really excited to shoot the scene where Quinta's character reads the review that Barbara left for her librarian program. I love how Abbott combines laughs with real grounded emotional moments like that. I'm also such a fan of Quinta's and I couldn't wait to see how she performed that scene. And that cast doesn't need my help with comedy, they are such pros. It's just my job to design the shots in such a way that we capture all the moments, but they always deliver no matter what.

OT: You've now directed, produced, and acted in major projects. Do you feel most at home in front of the camera, or are you finding yourself drawn more to the creative control behind the scenes?

KS: Acting will always be my first love. It's the most therapeutic for me. I can be an internal person and an overthinker so acting helps me turn my brain off. Behind-the-scenes jobs are wonderful but are often more organizational and slightly less creative.

OT: As someone who immigrated from India and built a career in Hollywood, how much of your own personal experience influences the characters you choose to play? Does A Nice Indian Boy reflect any parts of your own journey?

KS: How much time do you have? I mean, this was the most personal project I've done to date. On several days it felt like I was recreating exact moments from my own life. I showed the film to my family over Christmas, and we were all ugly crying. This movie is something I wish I had during the tougher times with my family but I'm so glad it exists now.

Karan Soni\u2019s favorite NYC stat: The Standard, High Line

Karan Soni’s favorite NYC stat: The Standard, High Line

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OT: Outside of LA, what's your favorite hotel that you enjoy returning to?

KS: I love The Standard, High Line in New York!

OT: Your go-to restaurant in Los Angeles?

KS: The Cafe at Erewhon. Sorry, please don't hate me.

OT: What are some of your must-have travel essentials?

KS: Multiple chargers (you'll only use one, but I like having the others like a safety blanket), a book (yes, actors can read) and back up eyeglasses (I'm very blind).

Japan remains at the top of Karan Soni\u2019s bucket list. Pictured: Fujiyoshida City

Japan remains at the top of Karan Soni’s bucket list. Pictured: Fujiyoshida City

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OT: What's one destination still on your bucket list, and what's drawing you to it?

Japan. It feels like such a magical, all-encompassing place.

OT: Is there a place you visited that completely surprised you—somewhere you didn't expect to love but ended up being unforgettable?

Prague! I got to film a season of this TV show called Miracle Workers there and I loved it. There is so much beautiful architecture there and the people were so welcoming.

OT: There's been a surge in media coverage of aviation mishaps lately, which has led to more people clapping when the plane lands, blessing the aircraft with holy water, and so forth. Do you have any personal travel rituals—whether it's a pre-flight superstition or a must-do activity once you arrive in a new place?

KS: I like getting to the airport early. We're talking two hours early for a domestic flight (I know). I love walking around the terminal and evaluating all the food options and then getting something to eat. I feel like if I rush through the airport to catch a flight then I'm carrying that anxiety with me on the plane. But if the time at the airport feels relaxed then I board the plane relaxed.

Catch \u201cA Nice Indian Boy\u201d in theaters starting April 4

Catch A Nice Indian Boy in theaters starting April 4

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OT: If you could work with any filmmaker or actor—living or dead—on a passion project, who would it be and why?

KS: Steven Spielberg has always been my ultimate filmmaker to work with. I've just been such a fan of his work for so long. As for actors, Emma Stone is on the top of the list. She can do no wrong in my book.

OT: And finally, from one immigrant who chose to move to America to another, there have definitely been moments—especially since January 20—where I've thought, "Alright, time to pack up and head home…" Have you ever felt that way, or at this point, does America truly feel like home-home to you?

KS: Oh damn, Out Traveler with the big question!! Sadly, yes, I have also had to entertain the thought of maybe leaving if things keep going the way they are. But I'm not there yet. I love America and do consider it my home now and I've had opportunities here that I wouldn't have been able to have in India. At this point, I still believe in the dream and magic of this country.

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