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OUT100: Emma González, Newsmaker of the Year

“Every time you go to a Pride event, it’s a celebration of love, but it’s also a remembrance of everything that started the beginning of being accepted in this society, which doesn’t always want to accept us.”

On February 14, Emma Gonzalez's life was forever changed when a gunman walked into her high school, Marjory Stoneman Douglas, in Parkland, Fla. But her story didn't end after the news trucks moved on. In response to the tragedy, she and her classmates organized a protest so powerful, it has grown into a national movement. A month after the tragedy ripped through their school, students led the March for Our Lives protest in Washington, D.C. There, Gonzalez took to the podium and offered a silent tribute that lasted 6 minutes and 20 seconds -- the same amount of time it took for 17 of her classmates and teachers to be killed, and 17 more to be injured. Her moving gesture quickly made headlines and became the most talked-about moment from the daylong demonstration.

The massive turnout for the march was a surprising show of support surrounding grisly acts that, for too long, had been accepted with apathy in our country. Even Gonzalez was struck by how large the crowd was. "I got up onstage, and none of us could go anywhere," she says. "If we wanted to move, we couldn't because of how many people were there."

If that protest were all Gonzalez and her classmates had accomplished this year, it would have been a landmark achievement. But their work to change the national conversation about gun violence continues, and it energizes Gonzalez to meet more people, advocate for gun law reform, and bring to the forefront issues facing communities of color.

"One of the coolest experiences for me was the Peace March in Chicago on Friday, June 15," she says, explaining that activists in Chicago organized marches every Friday to combat the city's high rate of gun violence in the summer months. "We marched through the streets and neighborhoods, and we were all chanting, screaming, and singing. And we brought the press with us to shine more light on the event."

Before the Parkland shooting, Gonzalez was already involved with advocacy and organizing, having served as the president of her school's Gay Straight Alliance during her senior year, working with about 30 students. "Thirty kids is a lot for a school with 3,000 people," she says. "Most of them weren't out, but they came anyway. They had shoulders to cry on. We had a really good group -- they were able to help me, and I was able to help them."

As part of her GSA duties, Gonzalez taught her classmates about queer milestones, and she feels passionately that younger queer generations should learn from the past. "They can learn the history of our culture, and our community, and the fight, and the struggles," she says. "Every time you go to a Pride event, it's a celebration of love, but it's also a remembrance of everything that started the beginning of being accepted in this society, which doesn't always want to accept us."

Gonzales_emma_out100_101618_0321_fIndeed, not everyone celebrated the arrival of a bold and confident queer Latinx woman on the national stage. Almost immediately after Gonzalez's first public appearances, trolls began attacking her online. In a Facebook post, Congressman Steve King's campaign (R-Iowa) linked her to communist Cuba for wearing a patch of the country's flag on her jacket. Gonzalez, whose father is Cuban, defended herself and cited the elected official's racist comments. "If somebody's trying to challenge my Cuban identity, they are usually -- if not obviously -- racist," she said. "Look at the things he said, and what he called me. What he said was bottom-of-the barrel. He was not even trying. He went out of his way lots of times to call out various people and say things about minority groups."

To Gonzalez, identity is fluid and more encompassing than basic labels. "Identity to me means the way that you describe yourself when someone says, 'Describe yourself,'" she explains. "If I were to describe my identity, I would say that I am half Cuban, I'm bald, I'm bisexual, I'm 5-foot-2, I like to write, I like to partake in the arts, and I like to crochet. I would hope that if I were introducing myself to somebody, through those things, they would be able to get an understanding of who I am."

Despite so much sadness in one year, Gonzalez feels hopeful for the future. "There are so many people who are coming forward and being like, 'Yep. I am not straight. I am not cis. And I am here to stay,'" she says. "Our society doesn't need to be cis, heteroromantic, heteronormative, and heterosexual all the time. We have these different people, and they're beautiful, and I'm just so glad to know that there are so many people who are out. And even if they're in the closet, they still know who they are."

And Gonzalez's determination to prevent others from experiencing the horrors of a mass shooting will stretch long after this year. "The fact is that gun violence is still prevalent in our society," she says. "We're going to be fighting for this until it's fixed."

Photography by Martin Schoeller.

Styling by Michael Cook.

Makeup: Zac Hart using Charlotte Tilbury Cosmetics

Photographed at Schoeller Studio, New York City

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From MUNA to her own solo era, Katie Gavin returns to her roots
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From MUNA to her own solo era, Katie Gavin returns to her roots

The singer-songwriter talks her new album What A Relief, the future of MUNA, and subbing in for Chappell Roan in her new digital cover story for Out.

“If it's been a long time since I've written a song, I have this really pervasive unease. It's a pressure that builds up.”

Well, finally, What a Relief.

Katie Gavin, the front woman of pop band MUNA, just released her debut solo album — but it’s not quite the anthemic synth-pop bangers her voice has become synonymous with. What a Relief tracks something grittier, folkier, more personal. “Lilith Fair-core,” as Gavin calls it.

Just ahead of the record's release, Out caught up with Gavin for a chat over Zoom. It’s hot in Los Angeles, but she’s sitting outside, surrounded by trees. She pauses a few times to placate her cat pawing at the window. There’s an ease around her.

When MUNA debuted back in 2016, they felt like a glitch. Their openness surrounding the queerness of all three members was unheard of, yet it became the band’s superpower. Eight years later, Gavin, Josette Maskin, and Naomi McPherson have inspired millions of people — fans and fellow musicians — around the world. They opened for Taylor Swift Eras tour. They reclaimed Coachella as “Dykechella.” They’ve crafted several certifiable gay anthems (“I Know A Place” and “Silf Chiffon” for starters). And the through line between their music and the two explicitly sapphic songs that made it to the Top 10 of the Billboard Hot 100 this year (Billie Eilish’s “Lunch” and Chappell Roan’s “Good Luck, Babe”) cannot be ignored.

“It's about fucking time” queer women see this success, says Gavin, and being “excited for each other and protective of each other” is a huge step forward. “Queer people, and especially people who are of a marginalized gender identity, have stories to tell. And we make amazing art.” Gavin is pointing out the obvious, but why does it still feel like something to prove?

Regardless, this progress is “really good to see, especially when looking at what women who've come before us in the industry were put through and how they were pinned against each other.”

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Alongside MUNA, Gavin stood in for Roan at All Things Go music festival in September after she backed out to address mental health concerns. The band’s cover of “Good Luck, Babe!” felt like a love letter to Roan, and Gavin was pleasantly surprised to see Roan’s fans showing them so much love.

“I take that as such a high compliment because I really love her art. The fact that we have crossover and the people that fuck with her also fuck with what we're doing, that kind of tells me that we're doing something right. She knows that I will do whatever I can to support her, and that just felt like a moment where we could make good on that.”

Roan’s unprecedented rise to fame concerns Gavin. “[MUNA] have had time to grow as artists. If our career took off at the rate that it's taken off for her, I would not have made it. I would not still be in this line of work, probably. We got to use the gift that we've been at this point, which is we've had time to grow.”

The pop landscape has grown so much, and so has Gavin. If MUNA songs are a pent-up release, What a Relief is the diary entry beforehand. Surprisingly, the writing process between this album and MUNA’s weren’t that different.

“It initially started off just being songs that we didn't want to work on for MUNA,” shares Gavin. “But I still liked the songs. Over time, I realized that maybe I had a record.”

Though the songwriting spans over seven years, the album doesn’t feel like a hodgepodge of tracks but rather, soft revelations over plucked guitar. As you listen through the record, you might find yourself saying, “This is the most beautiful song I’ve ever heard,” then it’ll happen again, and again, and again.

“As Good as It Gets” was one of those moments, a track featuring the one and only Mitski.

“I can't believe that she's the feature on this album,” reflects Gavin. “The stuff of dreams.” She sent the song to Mitski under the advice of her “A&R person” Phoebe Bridgers. It’s appropriately wistful yet gut-wrenching for a Mitski feature, playing out as a duet where two partners face the mundane reality of long-term intimacy.

“When I wrote it, I thought I was writing a love song,” she shares. “A lot of people that hear it perceive it as a breakup song. They're like, ‘Well, you shouldn't be in that relationship if this is how you're feeling.’ But other people also feel that it's a love song. I think it's cool to find that particular point and be like, where are y'all at? What can we expect from romantic relationships in our lives? Is this actually what I should be aiming for or is this a sign that if I’m feeling this way, I’m missing something?”

Songs about the highs and lows of love are scattered across MUNA’s catalog, but today, Gavin seems more content with feeling something more in the middle.

“I don't know if the type of love that is all-consuming, I don't know if that's meant for me,” she says with a smile. “I might actually be good on that at this point. It ruins your life.”

Then there’s the penultimate song on the album, “Keep Walking.” She wrote the song in 2020, “years and years after a relationship that had left me really shaken.”

“For a while,” Gavin reflects, “I needed to make that person a villain so that I could get away and distance myself. And then I got to a point where I realized, oh, I don't need these stories anymore. This was just a person who honestly, I want the best for. I want them to heal just like I want healing. I want everything for them that I would want for myself.”

But, she laughs, “That doesn't mean I should text them.”

The lyrics play out like the final scene of a bittersweet 2000s rom-com. Two old lovers stroll down a busy street. Their eyes meet, but no, it’s not a fateful reconnection. They’ve moved on, and they both silently make the decision to just keep on walking.

“Sometimes the best we can do with people is be like, I love you and I want the best for you, but in this life and in these incarnations, we should not be talking. It's just, we can't do it.”

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“Sparrow” is another devastating track, written from the perspective of a girl losing a lover while it’s actually about “climate derangement.”

The clever lyrics root the rapidly changing climate “in the very real heartbreak that is going to happen as the physical evidence of the damage that we've done to the world around us kind of becomes more and more real.”

The song’s central character is “losing a relationship that wasn't coming back,” says Gavin. “This metaphor of, I know that my girl's going to come back when the birds come back in the spring, and then when they don't come back…”

The metaphor came to her after reading Silent Spring by environmentalist Rachel Carson. “It's hard to really understand that the effects of climate disaster are going to be heartbreak, and it already has been for so many people losing loved ones, losing access to their homes. It is very real heartbreak. So I just wanted to find a way of telling that in a story song.”

This might not be the record for you if you’re expecting MUNA’s signature dance-cry hymns, but What a Relief easily slides in with the sounds of Boygenius and Hozier, Maggie Rogers and Lizzy McAlpine.

“I have a very foundational relationship to this style of music, like singer-songwriter, folkier music,” Gavin explains. “The process was kind of natural and easy, versus developing MUNA’s sound was very experimental and took some time. It felt like I was going into more uncharted waters. This kind of more just like a return to roots.”

Yes, there are a lot of sad songs, but Gavin hopes “people find some lightness” and “levity on the album. Even though I know I tend to write pretty heavy songs.”

The album title, What a Relief, is funny, she says. “It was a little bit of a cheeky nod. I am 31, almost 32, and I'm putting out my debut solo record now. So it was kind of just like, what a relief, I got it in.”

Gavin is currently gearing up for her solo tour around North America this November and December, then she’s “getting my ass back in the studio and locking in for MUNA 4.”

So not all hope is lost! Were you worried? Leaving the band behind was never in the cards.

“It feels good to be so hungry to get back to that project. It feels very, I don't know, nostalgic in a way.”

What A Relief is available wherever you stream music.

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Photographer: Alexa Viscius (@alexavisciusphoto)

Cover design: Mariusz Walus (@w_mariusz__)

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