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These Drag Queens Ignited Chicago's Gayborhood Reckoning

Out100 honorees Jo Mama and Lucy Stoole have been at the center of an overdue shift in the city's balance of power.

Over the last year, a series of grassroots movements have pulled Chicago's history of discrimination and erasure of queer people of color into focus. As tens of thousands of Black Lives Matter protesters demonstrated across the world, local drag queens of color rose up to challenge the city's racist club culture that has historically excluded and mistreated them.

This summer, the "Drag March for Change," led by Chicago's own Queen Jo Mama and co-organized by Lucy Stoole, Luc Ami, Miss Toto, RuPaul's Drag Race stars Shea Coulee, The Vixen, and Dida Ritz, as well as activists Zola and Tatyana Chante, brought in over 15,000 protesters. All of them showed up demanding accountability for racist policing in the city and accountability for the mistreatment of Black performers by bar owners and managers.

Jo Mama has witnessed this mistreatment firsthand as a bartender and performer. She and Chante played integral roles in founding the new Chicago Black Drag Council, which holds forums to address racism in Boystown's drag scene. The council recently organized a conversation with over 20 general managers at several North Side venues about their discriminatory behavior and continue to ignite dialogue across the city about the nuances of micro-aggressions that Black drag queens, some of whom depend on their performance earnings to survive, face every night. To commemorate their induction into the Out100, Jo Mama and Lucy Stoole sat down to discuss the genesis of the movement and the future of Chicago's nightlife.

Lucy Stoole: I've always viewed Chicago as home. It's probably the first place in all my years of living that has actually felt like a home.

Jo Mama: I can relate to that. It became a safe home away from home for me. I moved here 12 years ago from Atlanta. I wanted to move to a city that was similar in pace and also was just as accommodating and welcoming. I've always loved that part about being in the Midwest, particularly in Chicago.

Lucy: You are one of the main reasons the "Drag March for Change" even happened. It's a huge point of pride in our relationship because that was a huge feat. I got to watch you take this on and really nail it.

Jo: It was the murder of George Floyd that really activated me and I think a lot of us. We've dealt with this a lot, especially as Black people, and we've grown up seeing it. I remember my father pointing out these things on the news and stopping me, saying, "Look I want you to see this and understand this." This one just really hit different for a lot of people. I saw this fire happening throughout the city. I felt extremely helpless. I woke up the next day thinking, I have to do something. So I led my own march by myself from my home up in Edgewater on the North Side, all the way to downtown. I ended up in front of Trump Tower and saw that the bridges were still raised. I couldn't reach the other side but I could hear the screams, I could hear the sirens, I could feel the horns. I felt even more helpless. I woke up the next day and found a march that was organized by Tatyana Chante, which brought about over 5,000 people. They organized the whole march in a day. I went in drag. I threw on this neon green lime pantsuit and went at it. People were like, "Oh my God, we came to find you. We saw that you were going in drag. We want to march with you. We want to do this." And that's what sparked the idea of using our platforms as drag queens to shine attention onto the issue and how we can really use that part of our voice to center what really needs to be centered right now. I contacted Tatyana and was like, "Am I crazy that I want to do this?" But once I realized it was really just about moving people from point A to point B safely, I just used my background with events as a drag queen to make that happen. You really don't know how prepared you are for something until you face it, but usually you're more prepared than you think. The network I've gained through knowing people like you and all the other performers helped me to create this whole event that brought out 15,000 people.

Lucy: 15,000 people. It's always crazy to hear that number. I'll never forget that moment of looking out in the crowd and going on that stage. It was monumental and important, especially that the drag community was doing this in Boystown. As we all know, racism permeates every part of our culture and being Black queer people, it's two times as hard. So it was really important to be having this conversation in that neighborhood, which is also another one of the most affluent neighborhoods in our city right now. To have us marching in that way and being seen in a way we had not been seen before and being heard in a way that we had not been heard before. It was phenomenal. I had already been on my journey of activism and trying to figure out the best way I can be of service to my community and my people, but that was the thing that really pushed me over the edge. We have got to make a firm change starting right now.

Jo: I knew we needed to have 12 [speakers] to mirror the 12 apostles to bear witness to what we'd all gone through. Everything about it was very intentional. I always repeat that because it's so important when you are creating anything expressively and you want to get your point across. I've learned to do so with intention. There's also a lot in Black spirituality about intention. It goes back to our own hidden history and our hidden religion that we had to hide back in the slave days. It's so important to keep it present in your mind and to have that intention, put it right on the forefront, to get something done. That's always helped me.

[At the march], there were little fights with keeping the police out of the situation because the mayor kept trying to butt in and we we're like, "We're not really doing this with you. You're kind of public enemy number one, so just back off and let us self-govern because we can. Your policing is literally killing us." That became a huge thing, as well as keeping everyone safe and hydrated and healthy, especially in the time of [this ongoing pandemic.] You played a huge role in helping to ground me and bringing more people in.

Lucy: I'm so excited what the Drag March has led to. It has started great things, like the Chicago Black Drag Council. I don't know if that would have happened or if we would have come together in that way if it wasn't for you and Tatyana kicking that off

Jo: I think community is the key. Also, history repeats itself if you don't correct it and move forward. I built off of what we'd already done before with the Civil Rights Act and looking back at the march for gay rights, and everything that was done before us with Marsha P. Johnson and how they organized it -- even reaching out to the circuit queens to use their big, huge white bodies for good.

Lucy: Exactly.

Jo: I think there's a responsibility that comes with so much privilege that we get as drag queens. We have to give back. I've learned that if we give people the opportunity, people are more than happy to take it. It's been rewarding to help that in any way and to take part.

This piece was originally published in this year's Out100 issue, out on newsstands 12/1. The issue has four cover stars: Janelle Monae, Wilson Cruz, Joe Mantello, and Janaya Khan. To get your own copy directly, support queer media and subscribe -- or download yours for Amazon, Kindle, Nook, or Apple News +. The full Out100 will be released Thursday, November 19, 2020. The first-ever Out100 Symposium, titled "How Do We Come Back From This" will stream on Out Friday and is set to be hosted by Janaya Khan.The first-ever Out100 Virtual Honoree Induction Ceremony will be Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 8 p.m. EST. You can watch live on the Out100 Live landing page.

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Daniel Reynolds is the editor-in-chief of Out and an award-winning journalist who focuses on the intersection between entertainment and politics. This Jersey boy has now lived in Los Angeles for more than a decade.

Daniel Reynolds is the editor-in-chief of Out and an award-winning journalist who focuses on the intersection between entertainment and politics. This Jersey boy has now lived in Los Angeles for more than a decade.

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9 Breathtaking Portraits of Interracial LGBTQ+ Lovers by Ryan Pfluger

In their new book of LGBTQ+ couple’s portraiture Holding Space, Ryan Pfluger lets love guide the lens.


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“I exist at the intersection of marginalization and privilege. I am queer — I am nonbinary — but I’m also white. Grappling with how to handle that as an artist — for my work to investigate a nuanced and complicated space — has been a long journey,” begins photographer Ryan Pfluger (he/they) in his introduction to Holding Space: Life and Love Through a Queer Lens, a revelatory new book of portraiture centering interracial LGBTQ+ couples.

In Holding Space, the meaning of the introduction is layered. The reader learns of the intent of Pfluger’s project — to explore intersectionality through photography of these subjects. But it’s also an introduction to Pfluger, who reveals that his career choice was influenced by an upbringing where he felt powerless. “My father a drug addict, mother an alcoholic. I was outed by my mother at 13 — an age when I didn’t even know what that meant for me. Control became an abstract concept that I was never privy to,” Pfluger shares.

“The driving force to be behind the lens though, was my instinctual desire for people to feel seen, thoughtfully and lovingly,” they add. “From my own experiences and of those I love, I know how damaging being seen through the eyes of judgment, racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, and so on can be.”

Gaining control — guiding the lens and the narrative — was an early driving force behind his work. (A renowned celebrity photographer, Pfluger will be known to Out readers for their 2015 Out100 portraits, which included Barack Obama and Caitlyn Jenner.) As photography became “less of a craft and more a part of my being,” however, “I discovered my gift to create art also held space for others—that relinquishing the control I had so desperately craved can be more powerful than possessing it,” Pfluger says. “Photography became a vessel of healing.”

To heal, hold space, and explore intersectionality in a way not seen before through their medium, Pfluger set out to photograph interracial LGBTQ+ couples within their social circle. This time, he did indeed relinquish control and let his subjects tell their story. They could choose the setting and their style of dress or undress. The only requirement was that they touch one another in some fashion.

By the project’s conclusion — “two cross-country trips, over a thousand rolls of film, and sixteen months later” — Pfluger had documented over 120 couples, many of whom were recruited through social media and the internet. Some had broken up over that time period and pulled out of the project. Others wanted to share their heartache. Their stories, in first person, accompany their portraits, which launch Holding Space from the genre of photography book to a work of nonfiction, a chronicle of queer love in the 21st century.

“That is the beauty of relinquishing control,” Pfluger concludes. “Allowing the space for things to evolve and change — for marginalized people to have control over their narratives regardless of my intentions. To listen and learn. That is why Holding Space exists.”

Over 70 portraits and accompanying essays are featured in Holding Space, published by Princeton Architectural Press. The book also boasts excerpts from luminaries like Elliot Page, Bowen Yang, Ryan O’Connell, and Jamie Lee Curtis, and a foreword by director Janicza Bravo. Find a copy at PAPress.com, and see a selection of photography below.

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Akeem (he/him) & Samuel (he/him)

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“Despite our different desires, truths, and fears, there was a unique familiarity that made space for us to better understand each other.” — Akeem

“We challenged the system when we decided to be together, and we’re challenging it again by staying in each other’s lives and preserving the bridges we’ve built." — Samuel

Liz (she/her) & Carlena (she/her)

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“Each and every day I am humbled by the intersectionality of our love. By the way our individual ethnicities, races, upbringings, and queer identities guide us toward an even deeper understanding of self and other.” — Carlena

“My hope is that by continuing to love one another openly and fearlessly, future generations will be inspired to also love without any bounds.” — Liz

Chris (he/him) & Joe (he/him)

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“We are proud to be one of the few queer interracial couples within our immediate or extended family/friend circles, which has encouraged us to speak to our experiences and help others learn alongside us.” — Joe

Jobel (he/him) & Joey (he/they)

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“The beauty that we are coming to experience in owning our sexuality is that we can define what it means for us and how we want to experience it.” — Jobel

Luke (he/him) & Brandon (he/him)

“Our differences are a plenty, but this love does not bend.” — Luke & Brandon

David (he/him) & Michael (he/him)

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“We started our relationship at the height of the pandemic, and it was amazing to be able to run to Michael and feel safe in his arms.” — David

Milo (he/him) & Legacy (he/they)

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“Queer relationships aren’t tied to the limited, binary expectations that typically define heterosexual relationships.” — Milo

“Creating more healthy space in our friendship has been peaceful for us. I feel we are embracing a new form of love.” — Legacy

Coyote (he/they) & Tee (she/they)

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“Loving you feels instinctual, like a habit I was born with. It feels like I was born to love you.” — Tee

“I can feel you loving something deeper than the surface of me and it makes me feel so alive.” — Coyote

Jo (they/them) & Zac (they/them)

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“What can I say other than it is incredibly life-affirming when Jo and I are able to achieve the level of coordination needed to experience the sensation of ‘them,’ and that it helps when I say, ‘I love them’ or ‘I trust them.’” — Zac

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